LATEST RUGBY WORLD MAGAZINE SUBSCRIPTION DEALS Tom Rees TAGS: Wasps James Haskell doesn’t like being picked lastWhen he was hitting the headlines for his talent rather than being the boy in pink, Rugby World caught up with ‘Dot Cotton’ when he was still at Wasps to talk about bugbears, dressing as ‘Son of Lol’, and being Prime Minister for the day. RUGBY WORLD: Last year, Tom Rees revealed that you wanted to be known as The Haskellator. What would you like to say in response?JAMES HASKELL: He’s always making up names like that. Unfortunately, it’s libellous. I’m usually just Hask and sometimes Dot Cotton because I have my own website. Reesy is known as Reesbot. When he was younger he and his father built a robot for Robot Wars – a brilliant story to tell the Wasps players. [Rees says this story is fabricated!]RW: If you could have one superpower, what would it be?JH: I was thinking about this the other day. The ability to stop time and go backwards and forwards. Then you could find out what the lottery numbers are, who shot JFK and so on.RW: If you were prime minister for a day, what would you do?JH: I’d make prisoners pick up litter and clear up the sides of roads. We’ve got all those criminals watching TV all day – we should get them to do all those things.RW: Do you have any other bugbears?JH: Plenty – the congestion charge, speed cameras. I hate speed cameras.RW: What’s your party trick?JH: I don’t have one. Tom Rees does a brilliant card trick, though, like Derren Brown. You pick a card and when the pack is folded out the card you picked has a different back to all the others.RW: Any embarrassing moments?JH: A catalogue of them. When I was younger I touched the ball for the first time in a match and scored a try – but it was on my own try-line! Some parent – bear in mind this was under-nines not U16s – yelled: ‘You complete plonker!’ For a long, long time afterwards I was thinking whether I should keep playing.Young Guns, Artemis Challenge and being a ‘Crackberry’…RW: Did you go to a Wasps Christmas party dressed as Lawrence Dallaglio?JH: Yeah, one year I did. I was being nicknamed ‘Son of Lol’ at that time and I was very pleased with my costume because a lot of people thought I was him for a while. I had this bald mask and then stuck little bits of hair to it. I spent a lot of time getting it right.RW: What would you like to achieve outside of rugby?JH: Well, I’ve got my Young Guns Academy to give kids the opportunities I’ve had. It’s good for them to have proper coaching. I’d also like to make sure I was a fully-rounded person. RW: You also had a go at sailing in the summer [above]. How was that?JH: It was unbelievable. I took part in the Artemis Challenge in Cowes Week and raised money for Help for Heroes. It was a lot of hard work, but a great day. We had a crewe of eight and were out there for four hours and it was still pretty hard, so I don’t know how guys do it around the world on their own for three months. Unfortunately, we didn’t win the race and, for a Wasp, that’s not acceptable. My aim was to beat Alastair Campbell on one of the other boats. There was no way I wanted to lose to him, but unfortunately it wasn’t to be. I’m never going to live it down!RW: Who would you like to be trapped in a lift with?JH: The Swedish U21s volleyball team.RW: A house or car aside, what’s the most expensive thing you’ve bought?JH: I paid for a holiday for my parents – I took them to South Africa. They had a fantastic time and it was a thank you for keeping me on the straight and narrow.RW: What couldn’t you live without?JH: My mobile phone. I check it before I go to sleep and if I get up in the night I’ll check my emails and everything. I think I’m what they call a ‘Crackberry’!Check out his profile for England Check out his Twitter pageA cheeky try for new side Stade Francais…Learn more about James’ teammates at England…Dylan HartleyJoe Worsley
Or perhaps you’d like a digital version of the magazine delivered direct to your PC, MAC or Ipad? If so click here.For Back Issues Contact John Denton Services at 01733-385-170 visit LATEST RUGBY WORLD MAGAZINE SUBSCRIPTION DEALS The first thing my dad did on arriving in Kingston, Surrey, from America when I was five was settle me into a rugby club. I loved my time playing at KCS Old Boys. It was a great group of friends; we had a great vibe and a huge bond. I didn’t want to go out in the rain sometimes so my mum or dad had to drag me, but once there I loved it. Quick-Fire Profile…Name: Alexander CorbisieroPosition: PropAge: 22 (30 August 1988)Born: New York, USA BAGSHOT, ENGLAND – MARCH 15: Alex Corbisiero looks on during the England training session held at Pennyhill Park Hotel on March 15, 2011 in Bagshot, England. (Photo by David Rogers/Getty Images) I never considered I had a chance of making a career out of rugby until that trial, but I’ve never looked back. I signed full-time with Irish after being selected for England’s U18 team.The USA played me in an U19 warm-up game, but I’d always wanted to play for England and once I had my chance in the U18 side it was confirmed.I owe a big debt to my family for the support from all of them – my mum, dad, brothers and sisters; for all they’ve done over the years, the sacrifices they’ve made for my rugby career.London Irish have been crucial to my progress; giving me chances to play but not putting too many demands on me. Guys like Neal Hatley and (England’s) Graham Rowntree have helped me massively.My story is of a player who just kept knocking on the door until it opened. People develop at different times. For me it came much later so I had to be patient.I was lucky to get my chance with England this season and to come into a side that has been playing so well. I’d been waiting for the opportunity for a while and I’d been keeping my head down, working hard and doing my analysis, until my chance came against Italy.It was daunting to play for England initially, but once I got that first scrum out of the way I was able to focus on what I had to do and settle in. With everyone around me doing their jobs so well, it made it easier for me to come into the team.I’ve thrived on the way England are playing this year. I feel privileged to have had the chance and to win the Six Nations in my first season. I have to keep pinching myself.DID YOU KNOW?Corbisiero’s great grandfather left Naples for America in the 1920s to open a restaurant called Riccardo’s. Alex’s rapping skills have seen him dubbed the ‘hip-hop prop’ and he’s studying history part-time at Birbeck College. Also, Corbisiero made his England debut against Italy, where his family originated.This article appeared in the May 2011 issue of Rugby World Magazine.Find a newsagent that sells Rugby World in the UK As a big lad I still loved touch rugby as it was a great way to pick up rugby skills. If it’d been contact at the start I might have been more inclined to try to run through people, rather than learn how to go round them. I hope it helped me avoid being a one-dimensional player. Some of the lessons I learnt all those years ago are with me today.I’ve always played at prop, though I started at tighthead so I’ve drifted between that and loosehead. At 12 we didn’t have the numbers to carry on at KCS so around eight of us moved to London Scottish, and I played two seasons of full contact.Don’t let anyone tell you that you won’t play international rugby if you don’t play age-group rugby for your country. I didn’t and still made it into the full England team.A late developer, when I was at Cobham, I didn’t even get past the first U16 trial at county level. I was also attending the International School in Cobham, which probably didn’t help as it wasn’t a big rugby school like some in the area.Those setbacks made me work harder. My dad is the sort of person who never wants to take no for an answer so he made me work harder. He’d never let me quit, and he and my mum were always there to drive me on.Sport is a great thing for a teenager to get involved in. Rugby taught me discipline, dedication and how to work with others in a team. Running around was also far better for me than sitting on my backside at home. Obviously I was quite a big kid so my parents were keen to ensure I did enough exercise!I worked hard in those late teenage years and got a lot bigger, a lot taller and started to do weights. I’d never lifted a weight until I was 16.I got noticed playing for Surrey U17 by London Welsh coach Alan Rise, so I played there up to U19, which was the first really competitive rugby I got.I moved to London Irish in my last year of school. A referee who officiated at some of my games had recommended me to them.I was lucky enough to move into their Junior Academy after a three-week summer trial. That really kicked things off for me.
Wales – Tries: O Williams, Beck Cons: Halfpenny 2 Pen: HalfpennyTonga – Try: Helu Con: Fosita LATEST RUGBY WORLD MAGAZINE SUBSCRIPTION DEALS Main man: Ryan Jones makes a breakStar man – Ryan JonesHe was pushed close by another ‘old boy’ in James Hook, who ran the game well and with great variation from fly-half, but Ryan Jones gets the nod. It was obvious from the smile on his face during the anthem that he is relishing every opportunity he gets in the Wales jersey now those opportunities have become more limited with the emergence of Toby Faletau and Dan Lydiate in the back row. And, boy, was he looking to make a statement in this match. From the first minute he was making yards from the back of the scrum, he charged down a Tonga kick in their 22 that nearly led to a try for Lloyd Williams and his presence was evident throughout, be it through his carrying (he made 57 metres, nearly more than the other forwards combined), his defence or his leadership. It’s also fitting that he put in a performance of this quality three years after being axed as Wales captain following the Friday night draw with Fiji.StatsWales made 156 passes to 53 from Tonga and made 483 metres with the ball compared to the visitors’ 308.The hosts also dominated territory (73%), particularly in the second half when Tonga barely got out of their half.The turnover rate illustrates the stop-start nature of the game, Wales conceding 20 and Tonga 17.Scorers Tight squeeze: Ashley Beck shows good footwork to sneak over in the corner to score Wales’ second tryBy Sarah Mockford at Millennium StadiumIn a nutshellFriday night lights is the phrase but these games have more often been Friday night frights for Wales, the defeat by Samoa last year and the draw with Fiji in 2010 prime examples. Tonga couldn’t make it a hat-trick for the Pacific Islands, however, even if this was a pretty dour Test match for the 46,523 Cardiff crowd to witness.Break in play: Will Helu scythes through for Tonga’s tryIt was hardly a game to have those present in raptures – there were too many stoppages, little momentum could be created and not a single point was scored in the second half – but Warren Gatland will be satisfied with the win given recent history in this fixture and the fact that he’d made 11 changes to the side that beat Argentina last weekend.Tonga delivered in terms of physicality, had a solid set-piece and an organised defence, and caught Lloyd Williams on numerous occasions when he took too long to pass from the back of rucks. Wales were never able to get any rhythm to their game, but they did have far more try-scoring chances than Tonga, albeit that they only managed to convert two of them, Owen Williams and Ashley Beck going over. Lloyd Williams was held up, Hallom Amos was tackled into touch before getting the ball down, Luke Charteris dropped the ball metres from the line and George North had an effort ruled out by the TMO too.So not a classic, but a win’s a win, as they say, and Wales will face Australia next Saturday with more confidence than they did 12 months ago. They will also welcome the extra day’s rest for their battered bodies.Key momentAshley Beck’s try in the 24th minute. The Ospreys centre had started the try-scoring move with a neat inside pop pass to George North, who powered through the Tongan defence, and once the ball was recycled James Hook delivered a long pass to Beck on the wing and he went over in the corner. The score was significant in that it gave Wales a 17-0 lead and Beck should receive praise for the way he managed to keep his foot centimetres from the touchline before grounding the ball.
Ten out of ten: Dan Biggar (left) gave everything for Wales against South Africa Off targetKickers can be heroes or villains, depending on whether or not they land the crucial kicks and unfortunately for him, Ian Humphreys missed a conversion which would have stolen a 22-21 victory for Ulster over Munster on Friday night. Morgan motoringEngland’s 26-17 win over Australia was built on the foundations of a great performance from their pack and all eight deserve a share of the credit, but top of the bill is No 8 Ben Morgan – not only for his two tries but also for his all-round excellence.The Man of the Match made 31 metres with his bullocking runs – bettered only by Mike Brown (58) and Anthony Watson (36) on the England side. He was busy in defence too, making 12 tackles and missing just one. Billy Vunipola is a great talent with many fans in his corner, but Morgan is making the running at the back of the scrum at the moment. The last Test rugby action of November brought joy for England and Wales, but which individuals stood out for the best and worst reasons in those contests and in the club clashes? Size doesn’t matter: Leigh Halfpenny fells Eben Etzebeth to stop him scoring for South AfricaGiant killerWales and South Africa were tied at 3-3 with 32 minutes on the clock and a score from either team before half-time could have been critical. The Springboks’ huge lock Eben Etzebeth was charging into the Wales 22 and looked odds-on to score the first try of the game, when who should dash back to bring him to the ground short of the line but Wales full-back Leigh Halfpenny. It mattered not that Etzebeth was ten inches taller and five stone heavier than Halfpenny – he was hauled to the floor and the day was saved. Top of the tree: Leading scorer Gareth Steenson kicked 27 points for the ChiefsThe SinnersDon’t panic!How many times have Wales turned a potential victory over one of the Southern Hemisphere’s big three into a defeat with a moment of individual madness at the death of a game?Replacement full-back Scott Williams came within a whisker of repeating that terrible pattern on Saturday and has his pack to thank for digging him and Wales out of the hole he has dropped them into.With 77 minutes gone, Wales were 12-6 up and Handre Pollard attempted to kick a penalty deep into the right-hand corner to set up an attacking lineout. The ball was heading for touch in goal, but instead of letting it go, Williams leapt up to try to catch it.Whether he had misjudged his exact position on the pitch I don’t know, but he fumbled a ball he should have left alone and conceded a five-metre scrum.Fortunately for Williams, his pack forced South Africa to cough up the ball and Wales escaped from their tight spot, but it was exactly the kind of muddled, panicked thinking which has cost Wales all these close games in the past. Williams has 27 caps and has been in the Wales set-up since 2011 and should know better. LATEST RUGBY WORLD MAGAZINE SUBSCRIPTION DEALS Costly errors: Israel Folau’s knock-on gave Ben Morgan the opportunity to power over for a tryBad handsTwo handling errors from Israel Folau contributed to a two-try turnaround for Australia against England. Firstly, he carelessly knocked on a bouncing ball deep in his own half to give England an attacking scrum from which Ben Morgan’s first try was created, putting the home side 13-3 up.Much later, with eight minutes left of the match, he was racing up the wing with Robert Horne outside him, but what could have been a scoring pass from Folau was a little too wild and his team-mate could not catch it. Tiger feetThe boot of Owen Williams proved to be Leicester’s best attacking weapon as they beat Wasps 18-16 in the Aviva Premiership to stay in fifth spot and level on points with fourth-placed Saracens.The Welsh fly-half hit the target six times with penalties, most tellingly from 40 metres out in the 78th minute when he took the Tigers from 15-16 down to 18-16 up. He didn’t miss once and not all of the kicks were from easy angles.Williams was not the only kicker on dead-eye form this weekend. Gareth Steenson struck nine penalties for Exeter Chiefs in their 27-19 win over Saracens. He didn’t miss any and is leading the Premiership’s top-scorers list this season by some distance. In the Guinness Pro12 Duncan Weir slotted 14 points in Glasgow Warriors’ 19-15 win over the Dragons, and Jimmy Gopperth and Ian Madigan kicked three penalties each to earn Leinster an 18-12 win over title-rivals Ospreys. Nick Williams scored a late try to bring Ulster to within one point of their hosts but Humphreys couldn’t find the target with the relatively straightforward conversion and his first miss of the night turned out to be a costly one.It left Munster top of the Guinness Pro12 table with 32 points and Ulster just behind in third on 31. No doubt Humphreys will be the hero on another occasion. The SaintsBiggar the betterHe didn’t create any tries with breath-taking passes or scything runs, he didn’t kick any points as he had Leigh Halfpenny to do that job, but Dan Biggar was still the deserved Man of the Match in Wales’ historic 12-6 win over South Africa after an immense all-round performance.The outside-half got stuck in like a back row. He made 11 tackles and won two turnovers. His aggression in contact was reminiscent of Jonny Wilkinson and his bravery in the air worthy of the highest praise.It was a mature and telling performance from the man who has made the Wales No 10 jersey his own and Wales fans will hope for many repeats in 2015.
So if you are English, savour it while you can; if you are Celtic, you must know the slump cannot last; and if you are French you’ve got the second favourites for this year’s title still running for you.For the latest Rugby World subscription offers, click here. Causing a buzz: Wasps’ Elliot Daly, Thomas Young and Dan Robson celebrate their win over Exeter There has been a lot of talk about the resurgence of English club rugby after its dominance of the Champions Cup, says Adam Hathaway, but it won’t always be like this “Getting a regular five through is probably not going to happen, but we will get two or three on a regular basis.”The Irish provinces supplied five winners of Europe’s elite competition in the seven years up to Leinster’s last win in 2012 and after a little run like that, the retirement of some of the world’s top performers and a slip in finances they were due a dip.Due a dip: Leinster’s three European titles in four years was never going to be sustainable (Inpho)English clubs have got their signings right this time. The Piutau brothers and Frank Halai haven’t done Wasps’ cause any harm, alongside George Smith, and Telusa Veainu and Peter Betham at Leicester have led the charge for the Tigers. Saracens aren’t as loaded with foreigners as their reputation suggests but Schalk Brits, Neil de Kock, Marcelo Bosch and Titi Lamositele are all proven performers.It could just be a perfect storm for English clubs and there is no guarantee that it will last. As well as the influx of top-notch foreign signings, the Premiership clubs are feeling the benefit of a glut of decent English-qualified youngsters coming through.From the 2011 U20 vintage that reached the Junior World Cup final and gave them Joe Launchbury, Owen Farrell, George Ford and Mako Vunipola, through to the 2013 crop, which won the title, with Jack Nowell, Henry Slade, Luke Cowan-Dickie, Dom Barrow, Anthony Watson and Jack Clifford on board to Maro Itoje’s 2014 crew, there are plenty of players in their early 20s with a couple of seasons of league rugby under their belts and more than a few caps between them.End of the line? England finished fifth in the U20 Six Nations, suggesting thinner times ahead (Inpho)But as the results of this year’s U20 Six Nations showed, the production line has the odd hiccup – this season England’s youngsters were beaten by France, Wales, Ireland and Scotland.And the Champions Cup is getting more difficult to win. Young adds: “It has got harder and you won’t have situations where teams go through groups without losing a game.” When the dust had settled after last weekend’s Champions Cup quarter-finals, there were three English clubs and one French outfit left standing.The representation from the Premiership hasn’t been so heavy in the last four since 2006-07. That was the last time an English side – Lawrence Dallaglio’s Wasps – won the title, in an all-Anglo final against Leicester.This year there was no Irish side in the last eight, for the first time since 1997-98, and Scotland and Wales have only had two sides between them in the quarter-finals in the past six years. Right, so England fans can look forward to a period of having things their own way on the European front?As another antidote to the shambles of the World Cup, it has topped up the feel-good factor of England’s Grand Slam. But anyone who thinks this is a return to the earlier days of the tournament when Bath, Northampton, Leicester and Wasps won six titles between them in a decade should probably have a rethink.Anglo affair: 2007 was the last all-English final but it could be on the cards again this year (AFP/Getty)There have been a few moans about the new format, how the richest clubs are going to dominate, and the richest clubs are in England and France, and how this is the deathknell for the Celtic nations in competing in Europe – but that is probably cobblers.As with anything in this game, it’s portrayed as black and white but there are more than a few shades of grey in between and if you don’t believe me listen to Dai Young, director of rugby at Wasps.His side won a group that contained Toulon, Leinster and Bath – European champions all of them – and edged through a pulsating quarter-final against Exeter, which is a candidate for game of the season so far, and they did this less than three years after nearly going to the wall. But Young says English fans should make the most of it while they can.Realist: “Getting a regular five teams through is probably not going to happen,” says Dai Young (Getty)“It’s a big call to sit here and say this is going to be a regular thing but I was just as dismissive two or three years ago when we said we weren’t getting any English teams there,” says the former Wales and Lions prop. “Over the last year or two Saracens have been the team that have been fighting for England. I never thought we were as bad then as it was portrayed and we are probably not as good now as it looks either.“English teams are strong and they closing the gap on some of the French teams. That points to evidence that the Premiership is a strong league. TAGS: Wasps LATEST RUGBY WORLD MAGAZINE SUBSCRIPTION DEALS
Mario Ledesma spearheaded a golden generation that catapulted Argentinian rugby into the global consciousness. Once the beating heart of the Puma pack, Ledesma is one of the greatest hookers of all time Four years later, another knockout defeat to eventual champions – New Zealand triumphing 33-10 in the quarter-final – signalled Ledesma’s last appearance. His 84 Tests make him Argentina’s most capped hooker and fourth most capped Puma overall.Making way for Agustin Creevy at Eden Park, Ledesma began to cry. There was almost certainly a streak of sadness, but phenomenal pride too. Major teams: Curupatyi, Narbonne, Castres, Clermont Country: Argentina Test span: 1996-2011 Argentina caps: 84 (67 starts) Test points: 15 (3 tries)Wallaby prop Sekope Kepu might seem an odd choice to present a shrewd depiction of Mario Ledesma’s character, not least because he was only ten when the Argentinian made his Test debut against Uruguay in 1996.However, in describing the nature of Ledesma’s set-piece sessions with the Waratahs – where the former Puma acted as a consultant coach under Michael Cheika – Kepu encapsulates the passion and enthusiasm that filled his mentor’s blue and white jersey.“At training we have one-minute scrums. He’s crawling in and out underneath us. We’re thinking, ‘Geez, if this comes down, you’re crushed.’ But that’s the trust he’s instilled in us.”You could argue that Ledesma’s faith in the stability of an Australia scrum may be misplaced. However, what was undeniable during the hooker’s playing days was similarly unreserved commitment. ‘Super Mario’ earned his charming nickname with a remarkable World Cup record, playing in 18 matches at four tournaments between 1999 and his retirement in 2011. His career also took him to the Top 14 and he started for Clermont in the successful final of 2010, still les Jaunards’ sole league title.One of many natural leaders in his generation – he captained the side against Japan on just his 15th cap – Ledesma was often seen with tears pouring down his cheeks during the national anthem.In fact, such emotion became a hallmark of the 2007 World Cup, where Argentina beat hosts France, Ireland and Scotland before succumbing in the semi-final to South Africa. LATEST RUGBY WORLD MAGAZINE SUBSCRIPTION DEALS TAGS: The Greatest Players Argentina’s Mario Ledesma
Why pressure is mounting on Bordeaux coach Raphael Ibanez Rallying call: Adam Ashley-Cooper talks to his Bordeaux team-mates. Photo: Getty Images At the tee: Ian Madigan has been criticised by his coach since joining Bordeaux. Photo: Getty ImagesSuch opinions should be kept private, particularly as they came from a coach who five days earlier had prioritised his television commitments over his coaching ones. So while Bordeaux travelled to a cold, foggy Exeter to play a Sunday night Champions Cup fixture, Ibanez was enjoying the sunshine in the Cote d’Azur working as a co-commentator on the Toulon v Scarlets game. When Midi Olympique asked him about the decision, Ibanez snapped: “All this moralising makes me smile… we are in a society that likes to judge.”Bordeaux beat Exeter but a week later lost at home in the return fixture, a defeat that cost them the chance to qualify for the quarter-finals of the Champions Cup. Is it just a coincidence that Bordeaux’s decline accelerated after their head coach put his media work before his coaching duties? When a leader loses the respect of his men, it’s rare that he regains it.It’s a little reminiscent of what happened to Fabien Galthie in 2014 when the then Montpellier coach jetted out to Brazil to help French business tycoon Serge Kampf celebrate his 80th birthday. He left his assistants to oversee the Top14 clash with Oyonnax and upon his return to France, Galthie was dismissive of his critics in comments similar in tone to the ones used by Ibanez. “I know what sort of society we live in and this fuss conforms precisely to our society today,” said Galthie. He was sacked two months later after Montpellier lost eight of their nine matches.Scrum down: Bordeaux failed to qualify for the Champions Cup last eight. Photo: Getty ImagesIbanez should perhaps take a few moments to reflect on the fate of Galthie, a man who works as a consultant for the same TV station. Both were great players and charismatic captains of their country, and both are erudite and engaging television consultants who know how to use the media to their advantage. The pair are also talented coaches but with a reputation for questionable communication skills; since leaving Bordeaux last summer Sofiane Guitoune and Felix Le Bourhis have been critical of Ibanez’s management style. For now it’s the players who are leaving Bordeaux with Adam Ashley-Cooper off at the end of the season and Madigan also wanting out. But if Bordeaux don’t start winning, it could be the coach heading towards the exit.For the latest Rugby World subscription offers, click here. LATEST RUGBY WORLD MAGAZINE SUBSCRIPTION DEALS The stats are startling. When Bordeaux thrashed La Rochelle 26-0 on 19 November they moved into second spot in the Top 14, just four points behind their west coast rivals. They haven’t won a league match since, losing five and drawing one in a six-match winless streak that has seen them slide to ninth spot, 19 points behind La Rochelle, who continue to set the pace.More significantly, Bordeaux (beaten at home on Saturday 29-17 by Castres) are now seven points shy of Pau, who occupy sixth position, the last of the play-off places. With only eight rounds in the regular Top 14 season remaining, time is running out for Bordeaux to secure their spot in the knockout phase but it will be no easy task; five of their eight matches are away, including trips to La Rochelle, Brive and Racing.Bordeaux have finished seventh in the last two seasons and anything inferior to that position come May could have serious ramifications for Raphael Ibanez, who arrived at the club in the summer of 2012, a season after they had climbed into the Top 14.Man at the top: Raphael Ibanez is coming under fire at Bordeaux. Photo: Getty ImagesThe talk then from the former France hooker was of a long-term development programme, backed by president Laurent Marti, and for the first few seasons everything went to plan. Twelfth in 2012-13, Bordeaux finished eighth the following season and then seventh in the two campaigns that followed. This season, bolstered by the summer arrival of Ian Madigan, Luke Jones and Jayden Spence, the plan was supposed to have them challenging for a top-four finish – but it hasn’t happened, and Ibanez has only himself to blame.From the start of the season he’s made a series of bad decisions and crass statements, creating tension within his club and within French rugby. It started in September, in the post-match press conference following Bordeaux’s defeat of Bayonne. There had been some words in the build-up to the match by Vincent Etcheto, the Bayonne manager fired as Bordeaux’s backs coach the previous year. Instead of ignoring the comments Ibanez reacted childishly, warning Etcheto not to provoke him “because the game of soundbites could become physical”.He should also have refrained from going public in his criticisms of Ireland fly-half Madigan, using an interview with Midi Olympique on 16 December to declare “we have the right to expect more (from him), that’s clear”.
LATEST RUGBY WORLD MAGAZINE SUBSCRIPTION DEALS To even the odds, so to speak, watch out for signs in a predictor’s forecasts. You can use this as a checklist when narrowing down your choices of predictors.Reputation is golden. It practically speaks of a betting company’s expertise on rugby. While there are a lot of predictors out there with new ones popping up online all the time, this does not mean you can immediately trust their predictions. In betting, experience counts a lot. While there is the technology to help analyse, human analysis will always top this.Back up claims with your data. When watching out for predictors, look carefully at why some are betting on a specific team or expecting a particular scenario in a market. In betting, don’t take anybody’s word at face value – verify and analyse the situation yourself. Find out what makes up the odds and handicaps in their predictions if you’re betting on a handicap. In addition, a careful assessment of every team, including past results, team members’ skills, will help.Look for a heavy focus on rugby. All bookies work on different sports, but there is always that predictor who have a specialty on a particular sport. In this case, find one who has a long history of predicting rugby leagues. At the same time, look for signs of bias in this game. You will notice this because they will have more predictions on it than in other sports.Find out what the others are saying about a specific betting site. It’s always a good idea to find out what fellow enthusiasts are saying about rugby sites that caught your attention. Doing so will help you balance your opinion, compare your analysis with the rest, fill in some gaps in your research.Image courtesy of OffsideChoosing a predictor isn’t simply choosing one side to triumph, because it seems the likeliest to be true; or picking a side because a majority of your friends are choosing them. That’s not how it works. When choosing a best predictor, you’ll need to do some work as well. Rugby is as versatile as acting, there are a lot of elements which can change at the last minute. It’s an intelligent person’s of sport. So, choosing a rugby predictor that is not based on exhaustive research and analysis simply won’t cut it. Nothing is definite. We have seen a last minute kick or pass change big games and so often an unexpected play can completely turn the momentum of a match. What you can rely on is your knowledge of the game and your analysis of game elements. Of course, your goal is to earn a profit. It’s the reason why you’re studying the field. So after your research, you want to choose a bookmaker that will meet this objective. Before diving into rugby union betting, are you absolutely sure you’ve got the winning team? Hold back the excitement because there’s a perfectly plausible way you can come closest to the game result.The first step in betting is to remove emotion and logically look at your reasons for believing in a predictor. The second step is to do your own investigation and make a based from your analysis. Top rugby teams make use of data to assess themselves, from injury prediction to improvement of each team member, so the right attitude is to mimic this and research before relying on a predictor.Here are some predictor characteristics that you can base your review on before proceeding to bet on a team or market.Image courtesy of OffsideWhat is important? Image courtesy of Offside
Full of running: Hamish Watson attacks against France (Getty Images) All you need to know about the Group B match at BT Murrayfield LATEST RUGBY WORLD MAGAZINE SUBSCRIPTION DEALS Autumn Nations Cup Scotland v France previewIt was always likely to come down to these two, but few would have suspected that we would have an Autumn Nations Cup Pool B decider this early. With France-Fiji called off last round and Scotland-Fiji a no-no next, this one at BT Murrayfield takes on greater significance.Win at home, and Scotland can greedily eye the top of the group. But France will certainly be fired up for it.Remember, Scotland beat France in the Six Nations, with les Bleus fans left wondering what could have been had tighthead Mohamed Haouas not seen red for punching Jamie Ritchie.Yet last week’s call-off also means that France can pick a more recognisable side for this one – an agreement with the union and the National Rugby League (LNR) stipulated that players could not play in more than three of their six end-of-year Tests, but with the Fiji game off, big names like Antoine Dupont can take on the Scots.Scotland’s defence excelled in the Six Nations but a near full-strength France (who miss Romain Ntamack at ten but retain red hot Dupont) poses much scarier problems. With threats all over, Scotland’s new masters of niggle must ensure that the visiting scrum-half cannot dictate tempo, or that Virimi Vakatawa and skipper Charles Ollivon do not get free reign. They certainly aren’t taking this lightly, with boss Gregor Townsend hailing France as potentially the best team in the world, on current form.Though it won’t be said outright, the hosts must be confident on the defensive side of the ball, and for good reason after their five-Test win streak. However, their players have also spoken about improving their work at the contact area and set-piece delivery, as against Italy they would have liked much more ball to play with.Gregory Alldritt and France’s own king of nuisance, Bernard le Roux, will be lurking. Turnovers and defensive sets will mean nothing if it is one big wrestle for possession.The penlaty count could well excede the number of clean breaks, but then again, the dreamers amongst us will hope to see both teams emulating their captains: with electric Stuart Hogg leading Scotland one way and all-court Ollivon hammering the other, rather than a match punctuated regularly by a referee’s whistle.What’s the big team news?Scotland have made five changes to their team, with the big one in the backline that Blair Kinghorn comes in for Darcy Graham on the wing.Matt Fagerson returns at No 8, with Blade Thomson dropping to the bench. Up front, Oli Kebble starts, with Rory Sutherland out – Jamie Bhattie comes in as a replacement. Simon Berghan is at tighthead, with Zander Fagerson also a replacement. And Fraser Brown starts too.Duncan Taylor makes his way onto the bench, and Sean Maitland returns to the fold as a replacement after a brief exile following the Barbarians covid-breach debacle.Back involved: Sean Maitland during the Six Nations (Getty Images)As for France, they have made eight changes. Most notably Mathieu Jalibert starts at fly-half, with Romain Ntamack not fit. Louis Carbonel is the ten option on the bench.There is also a front-row rotation. Jean-Baptiste Gros (gett a debut as a starter), Camille Chat and Demba Bamba are in the front line, with Julien Marchand, Cyril Baille and Mohamed Haouas – he of the red card last time versus Scotland – straining to get off the bench.Dylan Cretin also gets his first start, in the back-row. And then at the back, Thomas Ramos comes in to play at 15. What have the coaches said?Scotland boss Gregor Townsend said: “The opportunity is about winning this game and what that would mean to this group in terms of getting into the final to play for first or second in a couple of weeks’ time. We know what a challenge France are going to bring – one of the best teams, if not the best team, in the world right now, so that’s all we’re thinking about.”Fabien Galthie, the France head coach said that “the finishers come into this game with a lot of appetite,” adding that Mohamed Haouas – who was red carded against Scotland in their loss during the Six Nations – wants “to show what he can bring to the team and make amends for what happened that day.”Any interesting statistics?1990 – the Five Nations heroes of 1990 were the last Scottish side to win six Test matches in a row28-0 – the win awarded to France with Fiji unable to play them last week due to 29 cases of Covid in their group.He only has five caps to his name and one previous start, but Matthieu Jalibert scored seven points against Scotland, coming off the bench in the Six Nations. He slotted a penalty and two conversions.Against Ireland in the Six Nations, Gregory Alldritt arrived at 83 defensive breakdowns – 22 more than any other player that day.Scotland beat France 28-17 in March – and last week they beat Italy by the exact same scoreline.What time does it kick off and is it on TV?Scotland v France, Sunday 22 November, BT MurrayfieldThe match kicks off at 3.15pm and will be broadcast live on Amazon Prime Video in the UK and Premier Sports in Ireland. There is also live match commentary on BBC Radio Scotland.If you’re outside the UK and Ireland, check out our guide to Autumn Nations Cup coverage around the world.Experienced English ref Wayne Barnes will take charge of this, with countryman Matt Carley one assistant, and Wales’ Ben Whitehouse will serve as TMO. It is also a special day for the second assistant referee Nika Amashukeli, with the Georgian official getting to run the line in a Tier One Test.What are the line-ups?Scotland: Stuart Hogg (captain); Blair Kinghorn, Chris Harris, Sam Johnson, Duhan van der Merwe; Duncan Weir, Ali Price; Oli Kebble, Fraser Brown, Simon Berghan, Scott Cummings, Jonny Gray, Jamie Ritchie, Hamish Watson, Matt Fagerson.Replacements: George Turner, Jamie Bhatti, Zander Fagerson, Sam Skinner, Blade Thomson, Sam Hidalgo-Clyne, Duncan Taylor, Sean Maitland.France: Thomas Ramos; Teddy Thomas, Virimi Vakatawa, Gael Fickou, Vincent Rattez; Matthieu Jalibert, Antoine Dupont; Jean-Baptiste Gros, Camille Chat, Demba Bamba, Bernard le Roux, Romain Taofifenua, Dylan Cretin, Charles Ollivon (captain), Gregory Alldritt. Replacements: Julien Marchand, Cyril Baille, Mohamed Haouas, Paul Willemse, Cameron Woki, Baptiste Couilloud, Louis Carbonel, Arthur Vincent. Can’t get to the shops? 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Joe Brewer says: Featured Jobs & Calls AddThis Sharing ButtonsShare to PrintFriendlyPrintFriendlyShare to FacebookFacebookShare to TwitterTwitterShare to EmailEmailShare to MoreAddThis June 26, 2012 at 9:13 am Is the point about Singapore a support of the concept of order & civil justice above all else? Cleanliness is next o godliness? Or, be careful for what you wish for- you can get clean sidewalks, and pay for it with beaten youth. Rector Collierville, TN June 19, 2012 at 6:06 pm Hello Joe. Charles Smith says: Episcopal Migration Ministries’ Virtual Prayer Vigil for World Refugee Day Facebook Live Prayer Vigil June 20 @ 7 p.m. ET Charles Smith says: The Church Investment Group Commends the Taskforce on the Theology of Money on its report, The Theology of Money and Investing as Doing Theology Church Investment Group June 19, 2012 at 11:37 am Trinity did not have to pursue charges and the clergy did not have to break the law. June 19, 2012 at 10:41 am Acts 2 And all who believed were together and had all things in common; and they sold their possessions and goods and distributed them to all, as any had need.While very few of us do this in our own lives, at least most of us try to have compassion on the poor and refrain from putting people in jail who try to help them. Shame on those in authority at Trinity. Rector Knoxville, TN Tony Price says: Virtual Episcopal Latino Ministry Competency Course Online Course Aug. 9-13 June 23, 2012 at 6:50 pm Trespass is trespass. Was clear a fence had to be climbed. Property rights are very clear in the law, there does have have to be a house, building or wishing well for it to be trespass. June 19, 2012 at 1:00 pm They were trespassing plan and simple. If I recall correctly Trinity Church had denied them access and use of the space and they tried to gain access after being denied. Brad Ems says: June 19, 2012 at 9:39 pm Since when is trespass considered “community service?” I don’t think you’d be quite so supportive if this rabble hoisted their ladders to your windows and engaged in community service in your house. Why is TWS any different? REN Stiefel says: June 20, 2012 at 11:42 pm Your use of the word “rabble” reveals that you know little if anything of the people you are writing about or, given your would-be parallel example, the nature of the situation. On the other hand, throughout the ages most of those who have followed the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth have been considered “rabble” – and often decried as such by the authorities of the institutional churches. Mike Conoveer says: June 23, 2012 at 6:47 pm All that can be done is judge them on their actions. Rabble, law breaking mob and violent gang all seem fitting. There is a right to free speech, but not a right to force others to listen, and not a right to trespass to make political statements. Jack Boyle says: Associate Rector Columbus, GA Charles Smith says: Bishop George Packard climbs over a fence surrounding the Duarte Square property in lower Manhattan owned by Trinity Wall Street in a Dec. 17 effort to open the area to Occupy Wall Street protesters. Photo/REUTERS/Andrew Burton[Episcopal News Service] A retired Episcopal bishop and a priest from the Episcopal Diocese of New York were among seven people convicted June 18 on charges of trespassing on property owned by Trinity Episcopal Church, Wall Street, during a Dec. 17 Occupy Wall Street demonstration and sentenced to four days of community service.George Packard, former Episcopal bishop suffragan for armed services and federal ministries, and the Rev. Earl Kooperkamp, rector of St. Mary’s Episcopal Church in Harlem, had faced up to 90 days in prison on the most serious charge, Packard’s lawyer, Gideon Oliver, had previously told ENS.An eighth defendant, Mark Adams, was convicted of trespassing and additional charges of attempted criminal mischief and attempted possession of burglar’s tools, reportedly for trying to use bolt-cutters to slice through the fence surrounding the property. He was sentenced to 45 days in prison on Rikers Island and taken from court in handcuffs, Oliver said in a telephone interview after the trial.“We’re considering whether or not to appeal,” he said. “We have 30 days to make that decision. I think for now everyone’s focus is on supporting Mark.”In a statement on Trinity’s website, the Rev. James Cooper, rector, said the church supported many of the Occupy movement’s underlying principles and would continue to welcome protestors to its facilities in the Wall Street neighborhood but said it did “not support the seizure of private property.”In court on June 18, Cooper’s testimony “was focused primarily on Trinity’s position of not supporting an open encampment at Duarte Square or giving permission,” said Linda Hanick, Trinity chief communications officer and vice president of communications and marketing.Packard and Kooperkamp were among 65 people arrested, including Diocese of Long Island priests the Rev. John Merz and the Rev. Michael Sniffen, on Dec. 17 after entering the property in Duarte Square in Lower Manhattan as part of an Occupy Wall Street event marking the end of the third month since the movement’s launch.Livestream video Dec. 17 showed Packard climbing a ladder that protesters had erected against the fence and dropping to the ground inside the property, the first to enter the site.OWS had been lobbying Trinity to use the property for a winter encampment, following the movement’s Nov. 15 eviction from Zuccotti Park near the church. Trinity had refused, citing a lack of facilities at the site and its lease agreement allowing the Lower Manhattan Cultural Council to use it for periodic art installations. Packard had been trying to mediate an agreement between OWS members and Trinity.On June 18 Oliver said, “Bishop Packard testified about his experiences with Rector Cooper and with Trinity around trying to act as a go-between between Occupy Wall Street and the church.”“He testified that he had a belief that Rector Cooper and Trinity would exercise forbearance, and we argued that in legal terms that translated into an honest, good-faith belief that he had license or authority to enter the premises,” Oliver said. “The judge rejected that legal argument.”Oliver said he was “disappointed more than surprised” that Judge Matthew Sciarrino convicted the eight defendants in the nonjury trial. “The legal system is set up to defend private property.”“In some ways, the convictions make the moral arguments even stronger,” he added.Packard said he was surprised, disappointed and saddened by the trial’s outcome. He spoke to ENS via cell phone while attending a post-trial conference about how to support Adams, who he said had “become the fall guy” for the Dec. 17 Occupy action. The prosecutor recommended a 30-day sentence, but Adams received 45 days, he said.“The eight of us [defendants] feel sort of bonded in brotherhood,” he said. “We’re feeling like a member of the family has been torn out from among us.”Trinity did not have to pursue the charges, but it opted to “protect fiduciary interests,” Packard told ENS. “It’s pretty sad. I mean, this is what our church has come to. You don’t have enough pledging units to sustain many places. So we depend on the cash flow of corporate investment. It’s a caricature of what the gospel is.”Other court actionMerz, priest-in-charge at the Episcopal Church of the Ascension, Greenpoint, Brooklyn, and Sniffen, priest-in-charge of the Episcopal Church of St. Luke and St. Matthew in Brooklyn, accepted a six-month adjournment in contemplation of dismissal (ACD) on Feb. 28, which means the charges against them were dismissed and they would have no criminal record if they were not arrested again in the next six months, according to a court official.Packard told ENS in March that he chose not to accept an offered ACD because he wanted the chance to respond to the charges in court.“I also probably will be arrested again,” said Packard, who has continued to participate in the Occupy movement and blogs about his experiences. “I’m not looking to be arrested, but the chances are pretty high.”He subsequently was arrested with other military veterans during a May 1 demonstration at New York’s Vietnam Veterans Memorial Plaza. As of June 12, he had not yet been arraigned in that case, Oliver told ENS.The trespassing trial was delayed June 14 after one of the defendants, Jack Boyle, who has been on a hunger strike and stopped taking his HIV medicine over the charges, was arrested the night before and hadn’t been processed yet. When the trial resumed that afternoon, about 40 people – including Merz and Sniffen and a Roman Catholic nun – came to observe.In a June telephone interview, Packard had expressed surprise at the trespassing charges and the manner of his arrest.When he entered the property Dec. 17, he said, “I felt that we were entering into a protected area and that it was closed for the season. I had visited hunger strikers on the perimeter of that space … three or four times. I have visited that location with Jim Cooper.”“Trespass is a word that I’m not used to hearing as it’s related to church property,” Packard said. “I hear expressions like ‘refuge’ and ‘sanctuary,’ and even … in the Trinity newsletter they talk about ‘radical hospitality.’”“It’s bewildering to me that Trinity has gone ahead with prosecuting these arrests. I fully thought they would just drop the charges,” Packard said. “I don’t put ‘trespass’ and ‘church property’ in the same sentence, somehow. Maybe I’m just naïve. I have a long history with Trinity Church.”As bishop suffragan for armed services ministries, he spent time with Trinity clergy near Ground Zero after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Towers near Trinity’s St. Paul’s Chapel. “Those were horrid, awful days, and Trinity really showed forth to the world what a classy and wonderful institution it was. They offered refreshment and rest.”On Dec. 17, “we weren’t even warned that we were going to be arrested,” he said.At other protests that he has watched as chaplain, he said, “there’s always this big, fancy announcement over a bullhorn” warning people they face arrest.“There was none of that,” Packard said.In the June 18 statement, Cooper said that Trinity had “a long and active history in addressing social and economic inequities.“While we are sympathetic to many of the OWS protestors’ stated goals, we do not support the seizure of private property,” the statement said. “Trinity urged the District Attorney’s Office to offer noncriminal dispositions before trial and to request nonjail sentences for those defendants who chose to proceed to trial. All protestors received sentences of four days of community service, except for one defendant who was convicted of additional crimes and had several open cases unrelated to Duarte Square. We continue to support the basic principles underlying the Occupy movement and will continue to welcome protestors, as we welcome all others in our community, to our facilities in the Wall Street neighborhood.”As the trial continued, so did protests and “actions” in New York and elsewhere as part of the nine-month-old Occupy movement. Inspired by the Arab Spring, the Occupy movement, intended to protest what participants saw as rampant greed and inequality in the financial world, was launched Sept. 17 with Occupy Wall Street. Demonstrators set up camp in Zuccotti Park (formerly Liberty Plaza Park) and created a community with everything from an onsite lending library to working groups planning actions and statements on various social and economic concerns. Participants organized using “horizontal” rather than hierarchical leadership and made decisions at democratic “general assemblies.”Other camps arose in cities and towns across the country and around the world, including an encampment outside St. Paul’s Cathedral in London. Within months, authorities broke up most of the encampments.Some Episcopalians and other people of faith have supported the movement from the beginning. Harvard doctoral candidate Marisa Egerstrom organized a group called Protest Chaplains that participated in the launch at Zuccotti Park and has supported Occupy Boston. In New York, Episcopal clergy, including Diocese of Long Island Bishop Lawrence Provenzano and those arrested Dec. 17, spent time with occupiers at Zuccotti Park and have been involved with Occupy Faith NYC.Packard’s lawyer is president of the New York City Chapter of the National Lawyers Guild, which has offered free legal representation to those arrested in connection with OWS protests, Oliver said. “I’ve handled a few hundred cases myself.”Oliver — who described himself as an agnostic raised as a “liberal Jew” — said in a June 12 interview that he was inspired by Packard and religious affinity groups to OWS such as Occupy Faith. “I feel a political affinity and inspiration from what they’re doing … in the context of their own faith communities. It really sort of embodies the concept of ‘Occupy everywhere,’ which post-the Liberty Plaza eviction took on a different and more urgently literal meaning.”— Sharon Sheridan is an ENS correspondent. Susan Ashland Crowson says: June 19, 2012 at 8:12 pm “…protecting what is rightfully theirs…”? Whose is it? In whose service should it rightfully be used? Brad Ems says: June 19, 2012 at 1:03 am I am, on the one hand, ashamed that Trinity Wall Street values private property and fiduciary interests more than the Gospel of Jesus Christ. On the other, I am grateful to Trinity and its rector James Cooper for breathing new life to the flickering flame of this veteran of Occupy, bruised and disenheartened by the silence of our church. You have have sparked that flame anew and given those of faith strength to carry it forward. As we do, we will keep in our prayers Mark, George, and all who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake. June 20, 2012 at 10:10 pm Christopher, my point is that he should be careful that his opinion is not seen as the Diocese’s. I’m not allowed to express opinions on company time or using company resources that take one side or another in my field. No, not really that interesting. Brad Ems says: Wayne H. Kempton says: Charles Smith says: Join the Episcopal Diocese of Texas in Celebrating the Pauli Murray Feast Online Worship Service June 27 June 19, 2012 at 1:02 am Really? George Packard doing community service ?? The man was born doing community service ! So sad it’s comical. WAKE UP TRINITY. smell the roses will you ??Time to stop acting like a corporation or shut the doors. You tarnish the concept of church of any kind. I realize that you’re called trinity wall street there’s no church In your name yet you let people with collars work for you. Bleck! June 20, 2012 at 10:42 am I very much not only favor enforcing the law when it comes to maintaining order and bringing an end to acts such as trespass, blocking streets and other acts of so called civil disobedience, but very much support making the penalties harsher. Jail isn’t a particularly a good solution, as it means the law abiding public must pay their upkeep. Things like civil forfeiture – both individuality and to the organizations represented would go a long way to stopping this sort of hooliganism. People have a right to fee speech, but they do not have the right to force others to listen, which seems to be what OR is all about. Assistant/Associate Rector Morristown, NJ Virtual Celebration of the Jerusalem Princess Basma Center Zoom Conversation June 19 @ 12 p.m. ET June 23, 2012 at 12:14 am AMEN Bishop, priest convicted of trespassing in Occupy demonstration Geof Bard says: Rector (FT or PT) Indian River, MI Wayne H. Kempton says: An Evening with Aliya Cycon Playing the Oud Lancaster, PA (and streaming online) July 3 @ 7 p.m. ET Joan Barnwell says: Charles Smith says: June 20, 2012 at 3:26 pm Why on Earth would they do that? The OWS invaders could have similarly backed down at any time, too. June 19, 2012 at 9:10 am I mourn for the Trinity Church of old: The super-rich church that responded to the Gospel of God with power. Trinity has stood with the disenfranchised and the poor against the forces of mammon. It has been an exemplary witness to the love of Christ and continued as a standing offense to ‘Wall Streets’ for more years than any of us have lived.Has it finally sold out to the power of wealth? Or has it just ‘gone native’ and been sucked into the world that surrounds it? Thank God for our brothers and sisters George Packard, Earl Kooperkamp, Mark Adams and the many other members of Occupy Faith NYC and Occupy Wall Street, who have stood up to Temporal Power and woken us up to this situation.I pray that the Rector of Trinity Church, The Rev. James Cooper, and his vestry and deputies may wake up and choose to turn around to do the will of God.Harlan Bemis Chris Thompson says: Jack Boyle says: June 18, 2012 at 10:46 pm Trinity did not have to pursue the charges, but it opted to “protect fiduciary interests,” Packard told ENS. “It’s pretty sad. I mean, this is what our church has come to. You don’t have enough pledging units to sustain many places. So we depend on the cash flow of corporate investment. It’s a caricature of what the gospel is.”This quote says it all. Thomas Andrew says: Brad Ems says: Youth Minister Lorton, VA June 23, 2012 at 6:57 pm Then let them rot in jail… prophetically. June 20, 2012 at 3:09 pm I don’t think that it was a surprise that there were arrests made. What is sad is that this went all the way to convictions. Trinity Episcopal could have backed down at any time. June 19, 2012 at 12:36 pm Egad! A voice of reason (over emotion)! What IS the Episcopal Church coming to?Thanks for saying what I was thinking and hadn’t the courage to say myself. Rector Smithfield, NC Comments (76) Rector and Chaplain Eugene, OR Thomas Andrew says: Joe Brewer says: Tags Episcopal Church releases new prayer book translations into Spanish and French, solicits feedback Episcopal Church Office of Public Affairs Missioner for Disaster Resilience Sacramento, CA Submit an Event Listing June 19, 2012 at 7:11 pm “Disclosure: Wayne is an employee of the Diocese of New York and an apologist for its bishop and Trinity Wall Street.”Big deal, he’s still a voice of reason amidst a cacophany of hyperventilation. Disclosure: I’m NOT associated with DNY. Director of Administration & Finance Atlanta, GA Submit a Press Release Inaugural Diocesan Feast Day Celebrating Juneteenth San Francisco, CA (and livestream) June 19 @ 2 p.m. PT June 19, 2012 at 2:30 pm Thank God someone said what I was wondering why the other people didn’t see!! I would welcome anyone, but not someone trying to take what my husband and I have worked so hard for. And I don’t want someone trashing my church. Does anyone remember what Trinity did for everyone during 9/11? Priest-in-Charge Lebanon, OH Seminary of the Southwest announces appointment of two new full time faculty members Seminary of the Southwest Brad Ems says: Ann Post says: June 23, 2012 at 12:07 am An empty lot, with no structure on it Brad. Don’t twist what was done. No one entered a home! And, watch your mouth describing ppl you don’t know as rabble! Advocacy Peace & Justice, Indie Pereira says: Andy Hook says: June 20, 2012 at 9:44 am I wonder…does Bishop Packard draw a pension? Where does he think the funds that back that regular check come from? Dorothy Royal says: Christopher Johnson says: Brad Ems says: Vicki Gray says: Bishop Diocesan Springfield, IL June 20, 2012 at 2:28 pm I think the last place on Earth any sane person would want to live is a land where the OWS idea of justice prevailed. June 20, 2012 at 12:03 am Good for you, George. I’m glad you didn’t break your neck climbing over that fence in a cassock. You continue the legacy of clergy from Grace Church, Hastings-on-Hudson, who have taken stands when it seemed necessary for the Gospel’s sake. Charles Smith says: Joe Brewer says: June 19, 2012 at 9:13 am I am amazed, the Episcopal Church having it own people arrested. What happened to sanctuary, support for the least of these and comfort for the oppressed? Bishop Packard and others of many faiths are following the reality of being Children of God. Trinity Church, Wall Street should look in the mirror and ask, who do we “really” serve? Beth Ann Maier says: Ann Willis Scott says: Mike Conoveer says: Harlan Bemis says: The Church Pension Fund Invests $20 Million in Impact Investment Fund Designed to Preserve Workforce Housing Communities Nationwide Church Pension Group June 19, 2012 at 5:03 pm Disclosure: Wayne is an employee of the Diocese of New York and an apologist for its bishop and Trinity Wall Street. Remember Holy Land Christians on Jerusalem Sunday, June 20 American Friends of the Episcopal Diocese of Jerusalem Occupy Movement An Evening with Presiding Bishop Curry and Iconographer Kelly Latimore Episcopal Migration Ministries via Zoom June 23 @ 6 p.m. ET June 19, 2012 at 8:52 pm With all due respect to Mr. Kempton’s comment above, the OWS protesters weren’t “storming into the church”. They were entering a vacant lot.Matthew 19:2121 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.Acts 2:44-4644 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart.Acts 4:32-3532 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,35 And laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. Wayne Kempton says: June 19, 2012 at 7:55 pm Give to Caesar that which is Caesar’s. Give to God that which is God’s.If you believe you might have a conflict with one of your brothers, go to him and work to resolve it, before you go to lay your sacrifices & ceremony at the temple (a somewhat twisted paraphrase)Wayne, or anyone else on this thread who supports Trinity Wall Street’s actions & expressions- can you help me understand what that Body of Christ has accomplished and gained by & with those actions & expressions? Comments navigation Newer comments June 20, 2012 at 9:43 am Which, of course, gives the lie to the Bishop’s claim of “good faith” in the invasion of the property. Comments are closed. Brad Ems says: June 19, 2012 at 9:49 pm I liked this passage most:“Bishop Packard testified about his experiences with Rector Cooper and with Trinity around trying to act as a go-between between Occupy Wall Street and the church.”If this is accurate, then Packard’s “good faith belief” claim is utter rubbish and the Bishop is bearing false witness. Being in contact with the Rector, he would have known that Trinity objected to the commandeering of its property by OWS, a condition reinforced by the fact that the rabble had to scale fences and cut locks to invade the premises. Had they been welcome, I think the Rector would have preferred to have them enter through a gate.Indeed, the world is watching. Will TWS align itself with a nihilistic mob to burnish its progressive bona fides? Or will it defend the truly liberal order by opposing the mob’s violence and anarchy? I’m happy to say that, despite a nod or two in the direction of the barbarians, TWS seems to have chosen civilization over savagery. Ann Post says: June 19, 2012 at 11:12 am I really wish everyone would just get over this. None of you who have responded to this article would like it if some group stormed your church (or home for that matter) and seized a piece of your property, cutting your locks with bolt cutters and climbing your fences without your consent. Just because Trinity is a wealthy parish doesn’t make them any different from the rest of us when it comes to protecting what is rightfully theirs. And believe it or not, every Episcopalian does not necessarily support ALL of what Occupy Wall Street claims to stand for. Gray Maxwell says: June 21, 2012 at 2:53 pm Didn’t St. Paul himself warn the early Christians NOT to drag each other into civil (Roman) courts in order to resolve their conflicts? Didn’t he advise them that it would be better to suffer loss rather than put other fellow believers under the judgment of secular/courts?How sad; what kind of a witness to the world is this!No wonder the Church has lost so much of its moral authority in the eyes of the secular world!Also, despite the distortion of the mainstream press OWS is NOT filled with hooligans and anarchists; to the contrary it is filled with everyday people who like myself have become frustrated and dismayed at the rampant greed that has destroyed the American economy and largely with impunity! June 19, 2012 at 9:53 pm Indeed, Dorothy, and does anyone remember what OWS has done in Oakland, Cleveland, Baltimore, etc? The wave of crime, filth, disease and violence? Is there some reason TWS wants that within its gates? Curate (Associate & Priest-in-Charge) Traverse City, MI June 19, 2012 at 8:20 am And here comes Jesus, together with his friend George Packard, filled with sorrow and fury at what his church has become, ready to overturn the stalls of the moneymakers. Shame on Trinity; thank God for the George Packards of our church. June 20, 2012 at 3:08 pm I remember cities burning in the sixties and the more recent riots in LA, I would much rather have order that that sort of “speech” and whatever force is needed to achieve it, up to and including deadly force. Your right to be heard does not supersede my right not to listen, nor does your crime of trespass to block roads and transportation trump my right to move freely. If that requires an armed response, so be it. With an apology to Jerry Pournelle, let it be an example of evolution in action. June 20, 2012 at 10:47 am They didn’t ask for sanctuary or support when they climbed a fence clearly intended to keep people out of that area. Their previous requests for that specific form of support were not granted, though other support was acknowledged. It is not up to Packard, or you, or anyone else to judge Trinity’s reasons – it was and is their decision to use their resources as they see fit, and they made it clear that use of that property at this time is not acceptable. What part of “No” is so bewildering to Packard? Why would anyone NOT expect to be arrested for doing something illegal? And, yes, it is sad that ‘trespassing’ is now a word associated with churches, but that is the fault of a rampant society entreched in a mindset of entitlement, not the church. It is difficult to be open and generous when people just take what they want and feel they deserve it. June 19, 2012 at 10:31 pm Hello, Thomas. Since Wayne works at the communications department of the Diocese and seemingly made this statement on company time, can we assume that this statement is made on behalf of the Diocese? One person’s reason, by the way, is another’s heartlessness. Charles Smith says: Course Director Jerusalem, Israel GlorIa Moy says: Submit a Job Listing By Sharon SheridanPosted Jun 18, 2012 June 21, 2012 at 3:39 am Good for Trinity! I wish Mark had gotten more time, to be honest. Breaking & entering is wrong. Period. Ann Post says: Russell Graham says: Comments navigation Newer comments June 21, 2012 at 9:11 pm You are aware aren’t you Ms. Post of all the litigation the Episcopal Church has filed at the direction of the current administration against fellow Christians aren’t you? Seems that ship has sailed. Rector Belleville, IL Assistant/Associate Priest Scottsdale, AZ June 23, 2012 at 6:54 pm What is even sadder that there were not significant jail time followed by a civil suit. Mike Conoveer says: Michael Siebert says: June 21, 2012 at 7:50 pm Very pleased to see that these lawbreakers were punished. They and their anarchist, socialist ilk are trying to destroy our free society, replacing it with a Bolshevik dictatorship. Good for Trinity in defending its property. P.J. Cabbiness says: June 19, 2012 at 1:57 am As a lifelong Episcopalian, all I can say to you, Trinity Church WALL STREET, is shame, shame on you, because in effect, what you did, all your verbal gymnastics aside, was put Jesus in jail. Following on Vicki’s astute comments, this is not a flame you will find so easy to extinguish. Thank God for the voices of so many of the faithful calling for justice here in the Diocese of Los Angeles. In-person Retreat: Thanksgiving Trinity Retreat Center (West Cornwall, CT) Nov. 24-28 Director of Music Morristown, NJ Brad Ems says: Father Clark Powers says: Canon for Family Ministry Jackson, MS This Summer’s Anti-Racism Training Online Course (Diocese of New Jersey) June 18-July 16 Brad Ems says: June 20, 2012 at 5:51 pm Since when has order, dominant culture (civilization,) and the justice dispensed by those in civil control & authority (those standing in for & representing Caesar; then and now)) been Christian pillars? Those were certainly not the model & teachings of the Jesus I see in scripture, or the Christ of my experience.I hear fear, hatred, and condescension in the comments about rabble. Rector/Priest in Charge (PT) Lisbon, ME David Norris says: Art Hawley says: Curate Diocese of Nebraska June 23, 2012 at 6:40 pm I’d even be more pleased to see this individual have their orders inhibited or revoked as this lack of respect for the law is not a useful leadership example. June 20, 2012 at 7:17 am No, I speak only for myself. I do not work for the Communications Department, I am the diocesan Historiographer. June 20, 2012 at 9:11 pm Civilization =/= “dominant culture”Justice is a pillar of the Christian ethic, and justice was done to Packard and his OWS pals. TWS is private property, a concept that absolutely pervades the Old and New Testaments. Even the passages cited here in support of OWS presume the existence of private property….after all if you don’t own your possessions, how can you ethically sell them? If there is no such thing as private property, what sense does the injunction to not steal make? If there is no private property, how can one possibly covet one’s neighbor’s things? June 20, 2012 at 1:19 pm Letter from a Birmingham Jail:‘I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will.’ June 19, 2012 at 4:21 pm I have pretty much given up on Anglicanism, despite its occasional attempts to be relevant and progressive. It is structurally reactionary, and individual heroics do little to change that. Rector Hopkinsville, KY Rector Washington, DC Associate Rector for Family Ministries Anchorage, AK Press Release Service Charles Smith says: June 20, 2012 at 10:13 pm The Gospel should win out. It did not. It’s amazing when Christians are parroting property law and non-Christians are speaking about the Gospel. Deborah Barwise says: New Berrigan Book With Episcopal Roots Cascade Books June 20, 2012 at 9:41 am TWS, in pressing charges, is standing with civilization, order and peace against an anarchic mob. Justice, surely a pillar of the Christian ethic, was done upon the members of said mob. Shame on George Packard for siding with the side of wickedness, anarchy and violence. Jack Boyle says: Rector Pittsburgh, PA June 18, 2012 at 11:06 pm The name of the plainiff says it all: Trinity “Wall Street” June 20, 2012 at 2:35 pm So Wayne should not be allowed to express an opinion that differs from your own because of where he works, Joe? Interesting. Ya no son extranjeros: Un diálogo acerca de inmigración Una conversación de Zoom June 22 @ 7 p.m. ET June 26, 2012 at 9:19 am yepWhere would each of us have been standing in Jesus’ day? Joey Parker says: Katerina Whitley says: Tess Taylor says: Featured Events Jack Boyle says: June 21, 2012 at 8:06 pm I am pleased to see that the church in question had the courage to pursue prosecution of these theologically confused Marxist criminals. A collar does not give one the right to create and promulgate a false socialistic reinterpretation of the faith. Shame on them. June 23, 2012 at 12:43 am For those of you who denigrate Occupy Wall Street will experience love for OWS when you drop your body and meet up with God. God is nothing but LOVE! We humans do the judging! Rector Martinsville, VA TryTank Experimental Lab and York St. John University of England Launch Survey to Study the Impact of Covid-19 on the Episcopal Church TryTank Experimental Lab Associate Priest for Pastoral Care New York, NY June 25, 2012 at 6:46 pm Yes, I guess that is exactly what the religious and civil authorities of His time said and did to Jesus! Why, that rabble-rousing insurrectionist leader of such a motley crew! How dare he challenge the religious/political status quo!!I guess some things never change…Ann Post Rector Shreveport, LA June 30, 2012 at 3:01 pm Well, if Jesus got put in jail, I hope the Apostles have some bail money, or better, still, bring him a fish and he can pull the bail money from the fish’s mouth. June 23, 2012 at 12:24 am Deborah, Do you want to explain to God that ppl can own land that was created for all ppl! June 19, 2012 at 12:37 am Am I the only one who sees the irony of being sentenced to community service for doing what is essentially a service to the community? Rector Albany, NY Mike Conoveer says: June 19, 2012 at 2:48 pm I am an Episcopalian in the NY diocese and have participated intermittently in Occupy.I believe that beyond the particulars of this painful case, what Trinity Church is missing is the big symbolic nature of these events. The world is watching and is judging!We in the church understand the power of signs and symbols to communicate : and herein lies the true tragedy of this event is that we again have missed an opportune moment in history to symbolically align ourselves in solidarity with the greater good and have degenerated into squabbling among ourselves and punishing each other in civil court!The trespassing Bishop and clergy have acted prophetically! Charles Smith says: June 22, 2012 at 11:06 am This is why a some number of folks find the victory on the property disputes amusing.Great, ECUSA got the property. Now, let’s see how well you afford the upkeep. Will be even more fun with many jurisdictions searching for dollars and seeing the church exemption on property taxes as something as possibly politically viable to revoke. Episcopal Charities of the Diocese of New York Hires Reverend Kevin W. VanHook, II as Executive Director Episcopal Charities of the Diocese of New York Joe Brewer says: Assistant/Associate Rector Washington, DC June 20, 2012 at 6:07 pm My memory of those divisive, unstable and violent times in the 60’s were it being backlash by folks who did not feel heard, respected, appreciated at all — whose efforts at being heard & having some control over their destiny was treated harshly by the powers & cultures in and of power. We have come a loooong way since then. “Law & Order” by those who can; is a step back towards those scary, divisive times. Daley in Chicago ordered ‘shoot to kill’. History has seldom looked kindly back at those maintaining civil order principally by force and increasingly harsher penalties. Joe Brewer says: Cathedral Dean Boise, ID Rector Tampa, FL Rector Bath, NC Family Ministry Coordinator Baton Rouge, LA Mike Conoveer says: June 23, 2012 at 7:00 pm OWS is judged on what gets reported. Mass breaking and entering and trespassing is an act of hooligans and criminals. Charles Smith says: Priest Associate or Director of Adult Ministries Greenville, SC June 22, 2012 at 11:02 am Singapore has very strict laws about littering and such; you might remember the american teen who got a caning for violating their laws. Regardless, Singapore is a very clean place. Draconian laws work.